Essential Facts Pertaining to Eternal Life and the Mind — A Channeled Discourse Transcript

  Mark Probert (1907-1969) was the trance medium (or 'channeler') through whom 'controls' / 'personalities' of 'The Inner Circle' spoke during intervals.  One among 20+ previous blog articles about this paranormal case chronology is "Portraits and Profiles of The Inner Circle 'Teachers of Light'".

 

 

Following up the preceding article "Key Data for 'Genius' Thinkers Regarding Science, Life and Cosmology (with Illustrations)", this current article provides fundamental insights about 'channeling' (one of the many forms of transcendental communication).  After the publication of first editions of the channeled discourse transcripts anthology books The Magic Bag (1949) and The Coming of the Guardians: An Interpretation of the Flying Saucers as Given from the Other Side of Life (1954), an issue of nationally distributed Mystic Magazine edited by Ray Palmer brought forth the transcript of a session with 'Yada di Shi'ite,' a member of 'The Inner Circle' who regularly communicated through trance medium Mark Probert.  This blog article presents this entire session transcript from April 1955 Issue No.  9.
 
Previous blog articles present the transcripts from Mystic Magazine issues of August 1954 No. 5 "Ray Palmer's Flying Saucer and Metaphysical Questions Answered By 'The Inner Circle' Through Mark Probert 1954", February 1955 No. 8 "Metaphysical Instruction from 'Yada Di Shi'ite' . . ." and June 1955 No. 10 "Self-Realization in the Aquarian Age . . ."  This blogger has gone on to locate and acquire several other back issues of Mystic Magazine documenting this case.  While reading the transcript being presented in the current article, this blogger recalled some of the pronouncements of other transcendental communicators quoted in Metaphysical Articles blog posts and these are presented in the concluding portion of this blog article.
 
There have been 20+ previous blog articles about the Mark Probert case chronology.  This is the rare situation whereupon a channeler was able to utilize his psychic gift for scientific study spanning the course of many years.  (The Mark Probert blog articles are listed in "UFOs / UAP / Flying Discs Scientifically Explained by 'Channeled Entities'".)

Photos of Mark Probert (1907-1969)

 
 

These photos provide an example of the phases in life of a man experiencing comparatively 'phenomenal' conditions of socialization.  At first, he's elated at the prospect of sharing his new knowledge to expand other people's understanding about the universe.  After exhibiting psychic 'transcendental communication' gifts for decades, Mark ultimately could only have accepted the staggering fact that most contemporary people simply are culturally programmed to accept only familiar social consciousness orientations about what is possible to experience with the assumptively 'status quo' 'reality' — inclusive of scientific materialism, dogmatic religious traditions and atheism / agnosticism beliefs.  Countless people today are intellectually and emotionally accustomed to experience a considerable portion of their life activities through giving one's attention to mainstream news and information media along with participating in entertainment pastimes such as movies, TV shows, computer games, novels, Pop music and sports.
 

The cover illustration for the April 1955 Issue No. 21 represents the article "Atomic Power — Will It Murder the Human Race?"

 

THURSDAY, September 16, 1954.  The lecture this evening is being held for the purpose of giving some of the members of the Inner Circle the opportunity to express themselves on questions submitted to them by the readers of the Ray Palmer publication, Mystic Magazine.
 
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Featuring:
 
YADA DI SHI'ITE

 
Lived 500,000 years ago in the ancient civilization of Yu, in the Himalaya mountains.  He was a priest in the Temple in the city at Kaoti.

First Teacher [and the only one featured in this transcript]: YADA DI SHI'ITE: Sina, Sinaha, E'na Yada Di Shi'ite.

(Ladies, Gentlemen, I am Yada Di Shi'ite.)

Irene Probert: Our first questions, Yada, were sent by Mr. G. Castaneda, Jr., of San Antonio, Texas.

QUESTION: Approximately how many times will a spirit reincarnate before accomplishing complete freedom?

YADA: It is impossible to say, because the number is not a static one, given to everyone alike, but is very arbitrary and personal and dependent upon a vast variety of things, all of which come under the heading of "Mental Growth."

QUESTION 2: If an earthly being loses his mind and dies, will it reincarnate or is it just lost?

 

YADA: My friends, Mind is all there is.  It cannot be lost, and as all things are but mental manifestations.  Nothing is "lost."  The brain is what is called a material structure and as such can suffer damage of many kinds, any one of which may make it partly or wholly useless for the Mind to function through.  This question poses many other things besides that of reincarnation, and due to the limitations set upon me here I cannot go into them in the manner they deserve, but I will add this: One may suffer for a time with the BELIEF of the ailment that brought about his death.  However, the duration of the postmortem suffering depends entirely upon how deeply his consciousness was impressed by whatever it was that happened to his physical self.

 

QUESTION 3: Are new spirits born every day, or are they all reincarnations?

 

YADA: It must be remembered that the words "spirit" and "soul" are ONLY words and are not the THINGS they try to convey.  The nature of that which is called the spirit or soul is but a composite of experiences recorded on a light or life wave and as such it is in no way concerned with what you have been conditioned to think of what is called "Time," so there are no such things as new or old souls or spirits.  The word "Time," to the individualized consciousness, means "Experience" and the seeming youthfulness or age depends upon what the individual has learned and how well he retains a conscious memory of such learning from one physical life's expression to another.

 

Irene Probert: This question was sent in by Mrs. Alma Theme of Oshkosh, Wisconsin.  

QUESTION 4: Has the Yada anything to say on reincarnation as applied to the Impersonal Soul in its evolution through the various progressive forms from mineral to man?

 

YADA: The "Impersonal Soul" is the ONLY real soul there is.   Certain religions have taught their followers to call "It" God and to think of "It" as a singular being, separate and apart from everything else, including himself.  Of course this kind of thinking is natural to those who "sleep."  "Evolution" is simply another word for "Ever Becoming," and all things are "ever becoming" AWARE of their unification with the "It" or what you have called the "Impersonal Soul."

 

Irene Probert: This question comes from Mrs. M. C. Spencer, of Crown Point, Indiana.

 

QUESTION 5: You call yourselves Yada Di Shi'Ite, Ramond Natalli, and Professor Alfred Luntz.  What happens to your other names in other incarnations before and since the particular incarnation from which you use these names?  Why did you choose these names?

 

YADA: Nothing happened to the names of our past earthly expressions.  They are but labels and are still being placed upon other bodies to give them a sense of personal identity in the particular environment they find themselves in.

 

A great number of people continue using their earth given names for many years after they have left the earth.  They do so because their consciousness is still to a large degree caught up in the doings of earth life, either in or through what they feel to be LOVE or HATE or for many other reasons.  We of the Inner Circle have our reasons also, not only where the matter of our names or titles are concerned, but why we sixteen personalities have banded together to form what we have called the Inner Circle.

 

Now, my friends, to explain to another your reason or purpose for doing certain things is not going to enlighten him to any greater extent than he is capable of comprehending by the conditioning he has in his environment.  For instance, there are a number of individuals as well as groups that feel that nothing "good" can come from the astral plane and therefore in their opinion any contact made with so-called discarnate beings can only be evil.

 

Then there are others who feel that it is perfectly right and legitimate to communicate with those that have gone beyond the physical realm, but due to some form of religious belief are fearful of coming in contact with what they consider to be an evil being.  To guard against such an unhappy event they insist that the discarnate being confess his belief and acceptance of some god or prophet of their particular faith.  We of course have no argument with this kind of thinking, nor for that matter any other thinking or acting that man commits himself to — I am simply pointing out that to attempt giving reasons for what you are doing not only rarely enlightens those you feel you must give them to, but may even prove to be fatal to your own endeavors.  However, because our work at the moment is to give so-called "reasons," the reason in part for our adopting the names we use when contacting you on the earth is simply because all of the members of the Inner Circle came to the agreement that those names would suit the interest of the work better than any other.  You of course will ask "What do you mean by that?"  These are my answers:

 

1. Because you believe in the "separateness" of things there are many of us as separate and different personalities to lend you the feeling that you are contacting a variety of sources for whatever it is you may be seeking to learn.  At such time as you the individual comes to learn that there is only ONE FOUNTAINHEAD from which ALL flows, "We" will have to be many instead of ONE.

2. Then too, because of the seeming duality of life, there appeared on the earth minute points of life that on taking on physical form were given the identification tags called "Alfred Luntz," "Ramond Natalli," etc., and they, like all the others, became members of the Inner Circle because of their difference of experiences and times.  A well-trained artist in color combinations seeks always to find the right colors — calling a color by any name does not make it that color.  A color is a "feeling," not a name.  A so-called person is also a "feeling."  If you doubt this, permit me to quote a favorite expression you Americans use in describing one who irritates you — "He is a pain in the neck!"

QUESTION 6: Is each life always lived on the earth?

YADA: Not always.  The whole vast scheme of existence belongs to what is called "man" and the more he comes to understand himself the greater freedom he has to roam at will through his creation.  Your Holy Book tells you, "In your Father's house are many mansions." — The Saucer people have been demonstrating this fact to you for several years now.

 

QUESTION 7: What is the individual's goal here on earth?  What is the goal after "death"?

YADA: Life and death are but two different states of awareness and the goal in both states is the Unfoldment of the Self.  Until one seeks to do this consciously he will find himself living in a world of "sound and fury." 

QUESTION 8: Are families reunited in the astral and in each incarnation?

YADA: Families are sometimes united again on the astral and so sometimes are friends — depending of course on the things they have in common.  Certain individuals may also be reunited to form a family on returning to the earth, but it is extremely remote that any of them will have any conscious recollection of either having lived in the physical world before or having known one another.

QUESTION 9: Can a person find out what his former lives have been?

YADA: Yes, there are certain of your modern mystical schools that can teach one how to do this — but unless you have attained a fairly high state of awareness, the mere awareness of past lives will gain you very little and may cost you much in emotional disturbances.  I personally do not recommend one's seeking after life in this haphazard manner — but it is YOUR life — go and live it!

 

QUESTION 10: Can a person meet Jesus 'there' — meaning in the after "death" state, and if so does he look like Sallman's portrait of the head of Jesus?    

portrait by Walter Sallman 1940

YADA: No, to the first part of the question, and No to the second.  To go into detail on these questions would take much too long and would gain no one anything but emotional upsets.

 

QUESTION 11: Is God as much a mystery in the after death state as he is to those on earth?

 

YADA: This question is quite a lot different than the one before, because the one before deals with a personality and this one with one's own Divine Nature.  No, the mere act of being projected into the astral world lends one nothing that he did not have before death.  If one makes no effort to consciously seek to know this Divine Self while on earth they will have to come back to the earth and try again.  Life is of an eternal quality — to hurry is to waste time.  To be overtly concerned about what lies in the tomorrows is to lose what you have today.

 

QUESTION 12: In relation to the earth and the planets and the rest of the universe, just where are you located after death?

 

YADA: Because so many have been misled into believing that "Heaven" and the astral planes are points located in space, it is a very difficult thing to break them away from this kind of thinking to that comprehending that ALL of existence is but CONSCIOUSNESS and what seems to be "places" and all the "things" that appear to be existing "in" those "places" are but states of awareness of ONE'S OWN BEING.  Need I say more?

 

YADA: I notice that there is another question there that needs some sort of an explanation.  This person wants to know "What is the purpose back of the great number of planetary bodies?"  She also is concerned with the vast number of human beings — she asks, "Why so many billions of them since 'Adam' and 'Eve'?"

 

To answer the first question will in part be the same for the second one and it is simply this: The scheme back of all existence is of a very precisely balanced nature, and unless and individual makes a CONSCIOUS effort to study nature he cannot even state a logical question about it, much less mentally deal with an answer.  For instance, were I to tell you that there are no "bodies" in space, just what could you do with such an answer to your question, unless you had spent years in the study of what is called the "Nature of Things."  It would be a great deal easier on you mentally for me to simply say "Nature is very prolific and produces a vast variety of 'things' and for reasons that only she, 'Nature,' can know anything about."  But while such an answer may be easier on you, it is what we term "Priestcraftism" and as such is "pap" for the minds of those who are ignorant and too lazy to dig the nuggets of TRUTH out of life for themselves!

 

To go back to the statement I made above that "There are no 'bodies' in 'space,'" neither in what appears to you to be the vast stellar systems nor in the seeming "near" space around you on what is called the earth — it is all but vibrating lines of force moving in an ever-changing variety of what are called frequencies.  The human body is a sense organ and as such acts as a measuring stick, not only to what is going on outside of itself, but the inner as well, and it is measuring vibrations in what seems to it to be an "outside" world and comparing each measurement with all the various measurements it has made in the past and has neatly catalogued and stored away in what is called the "memory."

 

Then according to the way one has been conditioned in his environment to express these measurements in words (words being also vibrations) they say "I have 'seen' a 'tree,' I have 'tasted' bread.'  This 'object' 'feels' 'soft' 'hard' 'smooth,' or 'rough' 'hot' or 'cold.'"  None of these conditions however are existences in themselves, but are simply properties of the aforementioned measuring stick called the senses.

 

Now as for my telling you what "good" all the "bodies" in the stellar systems may be, I confess I can find no answer for that question.  Because I don't know what you mean by the word "good."  If you are seeking to know the nature of their use and purpose as they appear to be in your three-dimensional world, then I suggest you get some primary writings on the subject of Astronomy.

 

Now, in regard to the question of "Why so many billions of people in the word since Adam and Eve, and why would not a million have done just as well?  I'll try answering those questions, first from their material side and then from what is called their "mystical" side, and we will see what happens to them.

 

To begin with, your earth at the point of its birth from the Cosmic Womb to its now present state is about seven and a quarter billion years of age as you measure time, and whether your modern scientists care to accept the fact or not, human beings have been existing on your earth for little less than three billion of those years.  That he—after making many other experimental methods to colonize the earth—decided to "seed" the earth with himself as a "spore" is entirely beside the point.

 

He is not an evolvement from the ape nor a creation of an anthropomorphic god nor the works of a Satanic Being.  His physical appearance on the earth had even far less to do with  the sexual cohabitation of two other human beings called Adam and Eve.  The word Adam was taken from the Sanskrit word "Atman" meaning First Class, and Eve refers to the first successful appearance on, or rather in, the three-dimensional state called the physical world.  It is also sometimes thought of as the Dawn of Creation.

 

As for "why" the life force creates so many of one species, it is simply seeking to form a more durable body for the environment that particular species may find itself in, thereby lending it a better chance for survival.  If only a few bodies were created in each species it would lessen greatly its survival possibilities.

 

QUESTION 13: When will we be able to contact our loved ones by television or radio?  I would like to know beyond a shadow of doubt.

 

YADA: There is no knowing anything beyond a shadow of doubt.  Not even that of a mathematical nature can be so considered.  All is wrought out of the catalysis of change and is therefore in a constant state of flux.  Nothing being beyond the possibilities of man, it is likely that he will at some time contact the higher vibratory worlds mechanically. 

 

some examples of Instrumental Transcommunication (ITC) evidence documenting contact from intelligences in other dimensions (ITC articles list with links)

 

 

Irene Probert: Yada, the next question comes from Mr. Joseph M. Donnelly, of Brooklyn, New York.

 

QUESTION: Very few present day psychics know about, nor do their spirit mentors discuss "UNIVERSAL THOUGHT" — a means of communication of spirit entities used in ancient Egypt and other lost civilizations.  Your elaboration would be greatly appreciated.

 

YADA: Universal Thought is a condition that almost is completely unheard of in your world of today, especially among the masses.  Occasionally it is mentioned in your religious temples and more often in your schools of philosophy.  Apart from this, the people themselves are entirely unaware of it.  Be all that as it may, I think it is understood by those who do know about it.  Realize consciousness is an everywhere or universal state and not a function of the brain cells; that consciousness does not exist IN the world of matter but matter is a property of consciousness.  When one becomes truly aware of this, he will automatically comprehend many things he did not before.  Some of these things will be —

 

1: That there is no existent "something" called distance, lying between a something called your body and my body, and this continues to hold true whether I am existing on a planet on the outer rim of your Milky Way and you on the earth, or you are on the earth and I in one of the astral planes — it is ALL ONE CONSCIOUSNESS, the difference lying in states of awareness and no more than that.

 

2: You will understand better the nature of what is known as magic in all occult practice, such as healing one near or far from you and why so-called "curses" may bring an actual ill condition to the one cursed unless that one knows the law of how to protect himself.

 

3. We will also see that one may still be in the physical world and yet be just as free to roam anywhere they desire as anyone out of the physical world or what is loosely called a spirit.  You will see that all mediums, all the clergy and all those acting as authorities existing apart from yourself are merely ACTING as crutches and as such are no longer needed.

 

Irene Probert: This question came from Mrs. Ann McGuire of Spokane, Washington.

 

QUESTION 15: Is it possible to do astral traveling in a semi-conscious state and if so what causes these experiences when one has done no conscious development along these lines?

 

YADA: This person says she has made no conscious effort, but as you sit there holding her letter I noticed that she does admit reading and studying occult and metaphysical matters and that the experiences taking place at that time have become much less frequent since she has been engaged in outward physical activity.

 

Irene Propert: That is correct, Yada.

 

YADA: Yes, it is possible to experience astral traveling or what is called "psychic projection" in a so-called "semi-conscious" state.  This is neither a strange nor rare phenomena, for most of the human race live and die in the conscious, receiving only occasional flashes of a true sense of awareness.  In making this statement I am not attempting to be either facetious or harshly critical, but simply factual.

 

And these are the facts: Few individuals are taught "awareness" control or the centering of one's consciousness on where they are and what they are doing at any so-called point in time.  The resultant lack of such teachings is obvious to such an extent in your modern world that I need not allude to any particular condition as a point of reference.  Consciousness is static everywhere present, but the awareness sense is fluidic and subject to being lost if no conscious effort is made to center and control it and if not lost, to gadding about aimlessly — then more often than not, when it does return to the body it hears that body saying such inane things as "WHERE am I?  WHAT is my name?" and "Did I do THAT?" . . . Psychic projection is not something that one needs to practice to do, because the psyche or mind does not live in a body — but it does take a great deal of concentrative practice to make its SELF aware of where it is and what it is doing.

 

There are many well-authorized cases telling of individuals who have suffered what seems to been a bi-location of consciousness in which it appears that both the extended psyche and the body self from which it has come have an independent consciousness of their own and they DO — but because consciousness is not something that can be cut up in pieces, one of the two will be lacking a Self-awareness state. . . . When a real conscious projection is accomplished it necessitates placing the physical body in a deep cataleptic state.  If this is not done the practice may lead to what  is called "sleep walking."  The reason back of this is simple to understand — the body being conditioned to respond to the commands of the mind is likely to try following out those commands during what is termed normal sleep.

 

It must be understood also that that which is thought of as the "Unconscious Self" is filled with unexpressed desires of many kinds; some of these desires the individual would like very much to act out in the physical world, but the laws of the environment into which he has come forbid him to do so.  The results are that, as natural as such desires to that one may be, he has to repress them — however, as Mind knows nothing about good or evil and is concerned with action only, such desires that are natural to one WILL be expressed in one way or another — if not in what is called normal dreaming then in a very light state of trance (awareness extension) called "day dreaming" which can turn into a dangerous thing called "desire fixation" or it may express itself directly upon the physical body in the form of a disease — Diseases created in this manner are sometimes referred to as "psychosomatic," meaning mentally created.  

 

However, I do believe that the medical world will in time come to see that ALL disturbances of the body come under the "psychosomatic" classification . . . To get back a moment to psychic projection wherein an actual psychic double is created, as seems to be the case with the person that asked this question, it may well be that she contained within her unconscious self certain past desires that the study of metaphysical and occult things simply acted as a trigger to the act of projecting.  I can only suggest now that she make some effort to take it under conscious control.  She can do this best first, by not fearing it — second, by saying to herself when she feels the condition coming on, "It is I that am doing the projecting — I am doing so for a specific purpose."  Then name the place you intend projecting to and try picturing that place as best you can — then impress your conscious with the idea that you will return to your body at a specific time.  In any event, learn to give love to all you do and joy to whatever may befall you — in this way one can take much of the "sting" out of life.

 

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Blogger's Note: The following paragraphs provide five examples of observations from transcendental communicators who've articulated commentary about how contemporary human beings should approach contemplation of the manifesting phenomenal mode of interaction to place in perspective the information being shared.

 

"In the first place, it should be understood that these séances are not controlled at all times by the same spirit, but for each occasion an intelligence is selected best adapted to that occasion . . . It should be understood that each distinct intelligence, or human spirit, retains its own special intellectual integrity after death as before.  All are entitled to their own opinions and the expression of the same, if they express themselves at all.  All questions relating to well-developed scientific facts will, without doubt, be answered, by all intelligences coming here, in a similar manner.  The idea will be one and the same, though the expression or clothing of the idea may be different in all.  But with regard to all questions of theology, you must expect that each spirit will preserve his or her own opinions, and if questioned will give them according to their best ability so to do . . . Now, then, consider the friends who come to you from the other life as human, fallible, and entitled, each one, to their own opinions.  You gave them that liberty while they were in the mortal form, and if you are wise and just you will give them no less now." ('Theodore Parker channeled through Mrs. J. H. Conant "Trance Channeling in the 19th Century")

 

"We are universal beings . . . many times when you hear one voice you hear a multitude of us.  For we are in a world whereby we have thoughts simultaneously with uncountable legions of us . . . We indwell, ourselves, our eye — we are interspacial beings coming out, emerging or slowing up our molecular rate that you might perceive us."  ('Universal beings' through channeler Paulina Peavy "Paulina Peavy Interview on Long John Nebel Radio Show 1958")

 

"It is like pouring water into a mind . . . And if you pour water into a vessel that is shaped round, the water will be round-shaped in that vessel.  Therefore the words that we pour through human instruments are certain to take the shape of the mind of that instrument, although the essence of that message may well remain.  This is our difficulty.  Some instruments are better than others.  Psychic gifts are not necessarily spiritual.  It is a gift that is like music.  Remember this.  Not all those who are endowed with the gift of music may lead lives that are exactly spiritual in nature.  We make use of what material is available.  Therefore, place not people upon pedestals in your exploration.  Assess them and know them."  ('Chang' channeled through Douglas Johnson "John and Elizabeth Fuller's Books about Their Paranormal Discoveries")

 

"We have spiritual bodies that can change into physical form.  That's also why we are able to give spiritual messages . . . We take the form that we think you will prefer to see or the form that you feel is necessary . . . Well, as long as you think that going into space means boarding a rocket with your physical body, then you are not in the same world that we are in . . . I have no set lifespan.  It's infinite.  I have more memory than you can trace.  We live forever . . . These universe cells are bound together by the power of love, and there is an entity trying to destroy this bond . . . It's because it's impossible for you to understand unless I say that I am a space person from somewhere in the universe."  ('Yaidron' channeled through Ryuho Okawa "More Excerpts from Ryuho Okawa's Spiritual Interviews")

 

"You have received a talk . . . sermon . . . call it what you will, not from ONE, but from MANY, all flowing through the SAME CHANNEL OF SPIRIT.  All entwined one with the other into a COMPLETE WHOLE.  We work in harmony as one body of people."  ('Dr. Charles Marshall' via Direct Voice / disembodied speech in the presence of Leslie Flint "Some Observations Concerning My Spiritualism Series of Articles")

 

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