Scientist Meade Layne's Findings Correlate with the Evidence / 'Proof' of Extraterrestrial Interaction Detailed in the Preceding Blog Articles.

This Current Article is Part 2 following Part 1 "Key Data for 'Genius' Thinkers Regarding Science, Life and Cosmology (with Illustrations)" and then continuing with Part 3: "Extraterrestrial Craft and Universal Cosmology Explained — The Magic Bag"

Above is shown a diagram from The Ether Ship Mystery and Its Solution (1950) by Meade Layne; along with the first page of a 1952 Borderland Sciences Research Associates brochure. Below is the cover of the 1950 booklet along with that of the B.S.R.A. book The Coming of the Guardians: An Interpretation of the Flying Saucers as Given from the Other Side of Life (first published in 1954 and later expanded).

Left: Mark Probert (1907-1969) is shown during a trance communication session. Right: Meade Layne (1882-1961) was instrumental in the implementation of Probert's channeling ability for scientific purposes. Layne was National Director of the Borderland Sciences Research Associates in San Diego, California.

Mark is shown with his wife Irene. Also shown are three of Mark's paintings revealing the appearance of the 'teachers' who conversed through him for interims while he was in a trance state: (left to right) 'E Yada di Shi'ite' (whose lifetime was a half-million years ago), 'Professor Alfred Luntz' (1812-1893) and 'Ramon Natalli' (an astronomer who belonged to the Royal House of Astronomy at Rome, Italy 1598-1652). ("Portraits and Profiles of The Inner Circle 'Teachers of Light'")

Among the known and identified 'controls' / channeled entities of 'The Inner Circle' are inventor Thomas Edison, Scottish author Thomas Carlyle, English physicist and chemist Michael Faraday, Maharaja Natcha Tramalaki (who lived in India and attended Oxford University circa 1848-1915), Charles Lingford (who passed over at the turn of the 19th Century; later transcripts identify him as 'Martin Lattimore Lingford'); a Chinese sage who lived between 550-600 B.C. named Lao-Tse (or Lao-Tzu), and a Japanese physician who lived in India for ten years, Dr. Sukuto Nikkioi.

The 1963 edition of The Magic Bag includes this statement by Mark Probert.

Then one night in 1947, the year they started to dictate the book to me, five of my teachers suddenly appeared in the living room of my apartment. That I was "seeing" them clairvoyantly did nothing to lessen my sense of fright, and had they not somehow taken a hold of me mentally I would have bolted out my front door and perhaps without opening it! Anyway they quieted me down by assuring me that they were some of the members of the Inner Circle and so I had no reason to fear them. Then they said that their only purpose in showing themselves to me was to have me paint portraits of them.

In the transcript anthology Yada Speaks (1979) by Ralph G. Warren, 'Yada' is quoted:

The space people . . . Some of them come from great distances, millions of light years away from your galactic system and beyond. You see, they do not travel through space but emerge from one point to another point instantly . . . We are all helpers. There is nothing else to do than to help one another grow in the Light; to become awake to their divine nature.

During a 1950 channeling session, 'Martin Lattimore Lingford' stated about their channeler: "The work he is now doing is to aid himself to repay a debt made in a former life, and in doing this, we are at the same time undoing some of the wrongs each one of us committed upon our fellowmen in our past live." (from the introductory Dedication in The Magic Bag Part One 1949)

The first excerpt from The Coming of the Guardians featured in this article is a three-paragraph description of the personal life and circumstances of Mark Probert, who served as a channel for the entities referring to themselves as "We of the Inner Circle." This passage is followed by excerpts of channeled discourse transcripts from the book with identification of which entity was speaking upon that occasion and the date, if known.

Excerpts from The Coming of The Guardians, which is subtitled An Interpretation of the "Flying Saucers" As Given From the Other Side of Life. The Third Edition of 1957 is the source for this blog article.

Mark Probert was born in Bayonne, New Jersey, in 1907, and attended the grammar school there through the sixth grade. He went to sea in the merchant marine for two years, and afterward came to California, where he was a dancer and entertainer for a time, and held various 'odd jobs'. He developed a talent for portrait painting (without any instruction) and still prefers that to any other occupation. There was a touch of psychism in his family, and he himself had many odd experiences while still a boy.

The more systematic development of his mediumship began in 1945-46, when a series of sittings were held at his home in San Diego. They were marked at first by a remarkable xenoglossy, or 'gift of tongues', and for some weeks it was difficult to get any communications in English. Soon, however, the first of the present Controls took charge, and there has been a steady improvement in the receptivity — and in the physical health — of the medium. The quality of the 'messages' received has been uniformly high — concerned for the most part with questions in science, philosophy, metaphysics and cultural subjects generally. No religionist or cultist approach is involved, nor will the controls permit it.

All the meetings are held in full light and no 'physical phenomena' occur. Mark simply 'goes to sleep' and the various Controls talk through him. They are fully integrated personalities, highly informed, and anxious to serve their friends on this side in every possible way. The communications are now widely known in the Western States, and thousands of pages of reports and transcripts of them have been made available in mimeographed form. The Director and Associates of the Borderland Sciences have cooperated in all this, so far as their limited resources have permitted. We consider Mark Probert to be one of the most remarkable deep-trance mediums now living, and that knowledge of the highest importance has become available through his powers.

M. L.

Charles Lingford (1947)

When will you people learn that there are worlds within worlds — that the etheric worlds interpenetrate with your plane and with each other?

. . . It seems impossible to get it through your heads, that objects can pass from an etheric to another level of matter and will then appear to materialize there. Then they disappear by dematerialization, returning to an etheric condition.

This is a perfect analogue to the materializations witnessed in the seance room, which many of your learned men bear witness to. Not only do human forms materialize, but solid objects appear 'miraculously', and often these are brought from long distances. You call them apports, but an apport is de-materialized so that only the etheric pattern remains, and then the original atoms are reassembled in the pattern or mould and you have a materialized object. Well, these 'saucers' that puzzle you so much come out of an etheric world also, and can return to it. The purpose of these visitors is simply to compel your attention, to wake you up.

examples of documented seance materialization photographs (article)

(Lingford [cont'd])There will be many strange sky appearances, as we have often told you before in these meetings. Watch for them. These 'saucers' make their great speed partly because of their peculiar bun shape and peculiar motion . . . The wilful ignorance and hostility of your time toward etheric and astral studies is appalling. These visitors are not excarnate humans, but live in their own world, made of stuff which your senses cannot directly perceive, and which you therefore childishly imagine cannot be there at all.

(1953)

Whatever is subsequently discovered in regard to this particular kind of sky phenomena, one outstanding fact will be that space is not the vacuous thing it has long been considered. Also another kind of phenomenon, quite unthinkable in the eyes of most of your physical scientists, called teleportation, will have to be studied more widely and seriously. The facts are that no matter how distant one body may be from another in the stellar spaces, "Nature" has a method of moving all manner of things from one of these bodies to another — called teleportation — all of which disproves the statement that 'what goes up must come down.'

The fact that the study of what are called light and quanta seemed to take away from the particulate theory and add something called wave does not change the fact that ALL is of particulate nature, or the law of change would be invalid. I think, however, the greatest trouble in the field of physics is the present meaning attached to the word atom. An atom is not something in itself that can be broken up into parts. To pour a stream of neutron bullets at an atom of uranium does not smash it or knock a piece of it off, for actually, while I do state in a very definite manner that all is particulate, we must not think of that word as implying a final bit of something, but rather as a field of motion and frequency degree extended or contracted in a given radius — as, for instance, we may say when an atom bomb is exploded: "A dwarf star in the solar system of the uranium universe has become a giant nova" — which simply means that a field of energy has become more extended in its mode of motion, and needs a larger volume of space to operate in. Nevertheless, whatever measurable extent a body may be operating in, it is discharging from itself other bands of energy in an ever-widening radius as infinitum, and up to the present your scientific minds have not devised an instrument sufficiently sensitive to detect these fields of action.

Lao-Tso (1948)

They have often come simply in quest of knowledge, just as you make expeditions to far-off places, to the Polar regions or to Central Asia —

They are not here with intent to interfere in your affairs — nevertheless, if there is another world war, employing nuclear energies, they may be forced to intervene. The release of atomic forces has disturbed their sphere of existence rather seriously.

Let it be understood that if ever such intervention becomes necessary, it will be wholly impersonal. There will be no taking of sides. It is contrary to the Law, that any one plane should interfere with the processes by which another works out its destiny.

They are vastly your superiors in science — though every plane has its special forms of development and progress, so that we speak of differences, but not often of superiority or inferiority.

The Etherians are large people, up to fifteen feet in height. I would say that they belong to the human order of evolution — that is, you would not call them Devas or Nature Spirits. Yet the great forms you have seen and photographed, in the clouds and on the surface of the earth also, somewhat resemble them.

You ask why they are now suddenly present in large numbers. I shall tell you. Always, when a civilization, a culture has reached its height and is destined to collapse, the Etherians have appeared in numbers. They come to make an examination and final record, for their own knowledge, of the status of that civilization — somewhat as you might do with disappearing tribes and races. And it is true also that they have been alerted and disturbed by your release of atomic energies. But all past civilizations and races have had their day, and failed in some way, and passed out of earth existence. So with your civilization. The Etherean people came, and observed, and made their historical records. So they come now.

Lo Sun Yat (1948)

(Q. You were speaking of the etheric regions — will you talk more of that? You know probably that we are having strange sky appearances which, we have been told, originate on etheric levels. We are told there are whole races, civilizations, etc., on these levels, but there seems very little definite information on these regions.)

To me, the etheric regions are the region of life; the astral regions of what you call death is the waiting-hall. If man desires, he can leave the astral after a period of time and enter into the etheric life, and he need not come back here to your physical world if he does not wish, but he can go on to the higher realms of this etheric world. This which I term the 'etheric' is the home out of which all physical manifestations come; so it is not to be wondered at that now and then, when necessary, there are projections of various forms into your physical state of consciousness.

(Q. Would you say that the elementals, the devas, etc., live in the etheric region?)

Yes, but of a different kind. It is also not right to call it 'low' — it is merely a different plane of existence, which Nature devised for them.

(Q. These regions interpenetrate with ours?)

Yes.

(Q. What is the nature of the Etherians?)

Just like your physical world — not a replica, but along similar lines.

(Q. But they have not been on our plane?)

Not those on the higher etheric. I do not know but that at some time some of them may wish to enter into your plane of physical existence; but I do not think they come through your way of birth, but through projection.

(Q. Will you tell us more about the astral and etheric; and also why anyone should want to come back to the earth? Also, we do not understand the use of the word 'death' for astral.)

It is, in my opinion, a bad term; it is demoralizing to the average person — but it is not anything like what the word implies. 'Death' — no; it is merely a different form of living. But this door between the astral and etheric and the physical is always left open, because man so desires it. He must have channels between his worlds if he is to learn and progress in knowledge.

It is only because the physical or chemical body seems to go through such distressing states that one often says, 'I have no desire to come back into the physical.' Now, I feel that if conditions were so that the chemical substances of the body were not subject to these distressing conditions one would enjoy physical living as much as on the other planes. It is only the desire to escape pain, want, and poverty.

(Q. No doubt; but our conditions probably never will be as good as that.)

No — not for those at large; but after you have learned to have complete control and govern the body, then you become a joyful person on any plane of existence, because all planes do have their drawbacks and difficulties. Therefore it pays great dividends to become familiar with the physical body.

(Q. Would you say that the etheric planes we have been speaking of correspond with the 'lokas' of Oriental philosophy?)

Yes.

(Q. Are there seven or eight lokas [divisions of the universe] as they say?)

Yes, there are. You see, man enters these various states of consciousness according to his desires.

(Q. But we have understood that man does not enter into the etheric at all, but into the astral?)

He does on his return, though.

(Q. He has an etheric body, then?)

Yes. It is in that state of consciousness that he starts building the thought stresses for his physical manifestation.

(Q. We are also taught that on leaving this plane, the entity enters an etheric body for a short time and then it is discarded. Is that correct?)

This etheric body is discarded, but not as you think. It instantly disintegrates. There is no shell left, no period of time when it floats about aimlessly.

(Q. But there is this time when it is in an etheric body?)

Yes, but it is in this state that he often goes to sleep.

(Q. The materializations of the seance room apparently depend upon ectoplasm — is there such a thing as ectoplasm that can be drawn from all organic matter?)

Yes.

(Q. And from inorganic matter also?)

Yes, all matter contains this.

(Q. All matter has what you would call a dynamic etheric force?)

Yes.

Professor Alfred Luntz (1953)

Man himself is an etheric being and a space being. Long before your earth came into form man was moving from one planet and one solar system to another.

Foot of bronze Seated Hermes with Talaria / winged sandals (Getty Villa statue detail)

Symbols have many meanings. Those on the sandals have all the meanings found by you, and yet many more.

These people are Guardians and move from one planet to another. If one said that he 'came from Venus' he was giving a kind of general direction — as you might say, 'I came from the Middle West.' Their forms are different while in passage on account of gravitational pulls and other conditions.

[In comparison: the intelligence channeled by Paulina Peavy in 1958 stated during a radio show broadcast: "And as we come to you in many ways and you call us 'flying saucers,' 'space men,' 'Venusians,' and other of your names we need to introduce ourselves in our language." During a 2020 channeling session, the entity known as 'Yaidron' channeled by Ryuho Okawa (1, 2) replied to questioning about 'reptilians' (space beings): "We take the form that we think you will prefer to see or the form that you feel is necessary."]

(Luntz [cont'd])

These craft are operated by the little-known laws of molecular action called heat and cold. You are watching one right now. Why do we move this boy's body back and forth this way? Because all bodies that move create heat. Every slightest motion creates heat to a degree. We use that energy, and we can, when we are through, return it, to a large extent, so the boy suffers no particular ill. His wife's energy we use also, for always there is a positive and a negative force to life.

[This is a symbolic representation of the succession of polarities that a current and ongoing transcendental communication case has made known to be the result manifesting throughout contemporary world societies due to an expanding spiritual abyss deriving from a paradigm of lack of understanding about the nature of 'God,' thus having engendered a universal collective polarity change in respect to spiritually conscious human interactions worldwide. (article) The 750+ articles at this blog allow readers to develop their metaphysical, spiritual and cosmological knowledge.]

Ramon Natalli (1950)

There has been some talk about sky-phenomena, about things that fly in your skies; some seem to think that these come from Mars or Venus — they do, but not from the terrestrial Mars or Venus. There is around every planet — and, for that matter, around every body in the vast heavens — an etheric world. These bodies govern, or are governed by those in the etheric world. They are under their direct and watchful eye.

(Q. Are you saying that what we call the planet Mars and Venus are under the control of their etheric counterparts?)

Yes, they are.

(Q. And is that true of our planet?)

Yes — these intelligences, I believe, some of you call the Group Soul. It is not too good an expression; it does not explain things.

(Q. Would you say that all of these skycraft come from the etheric region of some particular planet?)

I most assuredly would.

(Q. And will you tell us which planet?)

I think, Venus — In fact, those who constructed these so-called 'Disc ships' copied the design of their craft after the body Venus with its outer vibrating disc or ring.

(Q. Are we to infer that the disc-type of craft came, then, from the etheric region of Venus?)

Yes.

(Q. And the others come from other planets? Mars, for example?)

Yes, from the planets —

(Q. And our Earth, from the etheric region of our Earth?)

They must pass through the etheric region of your Earth, of course, and to do so must have the permission of the Etherians. Each comes from its own particular rate of vibration which is an unseen pattern of the seen body.

(Q. So, although it is not correct to say that some of the craft come from Mars, it is correct to say that some of them come from the etheric duplicate of Mars?)

Yes, that is correct.

Rama-Ka-Lo (1950)

Last week we were speaking about the 'flying discs' — I should like to continue. I want to say that traction, or what would be termed the pressure from the outer to the inner, or as with the wheels on a road, is created by the magnetic field they throw off — that is thrown off by the bodies of these discs. This is true of all of them, including that which you call a fireball.

(Q. These discs as we see them are what we call materialized. Do they operate or have existence as materialized objects outside our atmosphere?)

Yes, they do.

(Q. In that case, is there a different form of propulsion?)

No — lower and higher rates of the same.

(Q. The propulsion then, is not secured by traction on the gases of the atmosphere, but on the ether?)

According to the condition they enter into. Now, atoms are not single atoms; it is better to say a field, or a pattern, or a wave, or a surface behaviorism. There is always surface. Going into the higher ethers or lokas there is a denser field; coming into your world atmosphere, the density grows less and less. Your world is one of the least dense.

(Q. These craft, then, could be used by the Etherians for interplanetary flight?)

Yes, most assuredly — and they have been so used in all of what you call time, ever since matter on your plane or consciousness came into being.

(Q. This implies an acceleration of the vibratory rates of molecules and atoms; how is this increase in vibratory rates effected?)

Perhaps I can put it into words that will be understandable — I do not know. Not that you would not understand, but I am, as you are aware, working with a physical brain that knows nothing of such things — but I shall try. To begin, the radiation out of which these things are built is brought about by mind activity. It is based on the same order as what is called in the spiritualistic world teleportation.

Teleportation always brings about either extreme heat or cold. In bringing these manifestations into your world, heat is first used. After the body becomes dense to your density — what you call density — it starts throwing off heat radiations, heat energy at a terrific rate of speed. This heat strikes at the hydrogen and oxygen atoms around the object, creating what may be called a form of combustion. This combustion brings down the temperature of the object even as it is climbing again. This creates a magnetic field around the object, a traction for it, a road for it.

(Q. What would be the most profitable line of inquiry for our physicists to pursue in this connection?)

The effort to understand what the etheric is, apart from what are called gases. That would be the first approach — to be able to understand this unseen space around you. Also to be able to understand what is called molecular motion. I do not think that even your most advanced scientists today understand molecular motion.

(Q. Do you find molecular motion in the ether?)

Yes, it applies to etheric motion. You cannot go anywhere without finding molecular motion.

(Q. Is all substance on your plane particulate?)

Yes, I know of no such thing as a homogeneous medium on any plane.

The Yada (1954)

All this earth talk about the Discs! The mere existence of these objects is nothing new or remarkable. Man has been flying for many centuries in one way or another. But earth people cannot be given the secret of building these objects right away, because if it fell into the hands of any one government it would make war inevitable — though it is, anyway.

Yes, the Canadian scientists know a way of operating a disc-shaped craft, but not as it is done by the Space People — there is almost no comparison. The substances in the space disc are not the same as the groupings you have on your earth. The molecular structure is entirely different — the electronic fields are different. The linking together of molecules (in the disc material) is of such tensile strength that no force known to you can break them apart or cause a cut or break in the substance . . .

The particles that make up the ethers can be thought of as sub-atomic matter, and as we 'sub' lower than that we go out of existence so far as the world of measurable matter is concerned. The ether is 'there' whether for a purpose or not. There is no such thing as 'nothingness' — it is a word, a sound, not even an idea . . . Truthfully, the atom has never been smashed; only a piece of it has been blown away, or thrown away, which is the outer shell, or one of the outer shells. Should you ever truly break up the atom you would not only turn it off into another, but you would turn your whole solar system into a super-solar. The whole system would become nothing but light radiation, millions of times brighter than your sun.

Concerning the Beings who operate (some of) the aeroforms: they are not as horrible in their nature as the appearance of some of them might lead you to believe. It is true that many of them are not of man form, and being of a much higher mentation they do not possess your emotional responses. They are no more likely to react to your ideas of good and evil, than you would to the ideas of an ant or a cockroach. Nevertheless these beings have no evil intent — for if so they could have taken over or destroyed the earth aeons ago.

It is true that the Etherians have in the past taken large groups as well as single individuals from the earth and placed them on other bodies in space, both in and outside of your solar system, and it is likely they will continue to do this from time to time. They have also on occasion used human beings for experimental purposes, much as your men of science do with animals. In any case you have no grounds for moral reproaches against the Etherean peoples.

As to the question: Why do space beings need to use the disc craft and other forms, if they are dwellers in space? Why can they not move about without a machine of any kind? This is best answered by another question. Man himself is a space being; why does he find it necessary to create a form to move about in? Men and Etherians alike are purely mental beings and are everywhere in consciousness, which is space — but the phenomena of life require form building. All forms are made up of varying degrees of universal life energy and are manifestations of it. When the Etherians desire you to know of their presence they must create form, so that you can become aware of them through the measuring rods called the senses of the body.

Earth man need have no fear of these beings, unless he attacks them or becomes too inquisitive — in which case it is likely they will retaliate in like manner.

(1953)

It is about two and a quarter billion years since man made his first attempt to live on the earth — and about seven billion years since the formation of the primaeval vortex from which the earth arose. Throughout all this enormous period of time (by your measurements) the people of the Discs, in their craft which we call KAREETAS, have been making periodic visits to the earth and studying its nature and action.

All races of men have seen them. Five hundred thousand years ago they were well known to the dwellers in YU, the civilization of the Himalayas.

What does their present coming portend? The universe, the whole Cosmos is expanding. It is like an explosion of the Cosmos. You know that there are dwarf stars, and also that there are Super-Novas. Now, these pass one into the other; each can become the other. This is also true of the Island Universes, which can and do change back and forth. This is the play of atomic energy, of magnetism, of attraction and repulsion. All the stars, the Suns, are in effect huge dynamos . . .

These Discs you are asking about — they do NOT belong to the world of three-dimensional matter. They come out of other and far greater densities. They come out of worlds of substance a hundred thousand times more dense than the matter which you perceive by your senses.

Lo Sun Yat (1952)

[commenting on communication of the channeled entity 'Borealis Telano' through channeler Rolf Telano] Yes, there are such Guardian Races, and their responsibility stems from the facts described. This cross-breeding actually took place, in the dim past, but the race resulting from this union came to an end with Lemuria . . . The "man-like animal native to your planet" was originally created by the Etheric "colonizers" . . . The 'cross' was not a true ancestor race, it was a kind of ancestral pattern resembling man in form. Man originated from a later experiment . . .

In one of their experiments to become one with the material world, some forms that were made resembled the anthropoid apes . . . Yes, there was actual mating between the Etherians and these earth-animals. "Sons of God mating with daughters of men" — a fine rhetorical statement but not a pretty thing by any means — if you could only see what they looked like . . . About the KUIS — these are the "servient spirits" of your Huna. Yes, they are a kind of fragmentation of a human entity. The Higher Mind may for various reasons leave the Low Self in control of the body. Many KUIS are now in human bodies. Very many indeed in Asia, Africa, India. They possess animal instincts only. Those who seem to have no aura possess the chemical-radiation aura only. One may say that the KUIS are the lower or the lowest part of the mind. They are a dissociated part.

Yes, certainly, there are races of Etheric people who are not excarnate humans and have never lived on earth. Some of the "discs" and other sky-craft are truly operated by excarnate earth people, but some are operated by the "true" Etherians. They will be in your skies until there is no more threat of world-war . . . I do not want to appear to speak for them, but if they have to attack it may well be by great sheets of flame out of the sky and by great concussions . . . Your globe is like an atom in the cosmos, but every atom has its contacts, its effects. Perhaps you must be protected from yourselves and perhaps the solar system must be protected from you.

2/11/25 Update: The Daily Mail article "Secret CIA documents reveal how US prepared to defend against an alien invasion" (2/8/25) confirms the information shared by 'The Inner Circle' about "the Canadian scientists . . ." The Daily Mail article mentions:

. . . the CIA was also said to use government funding to continue UFO data collection to fund other projects like the Canadian Avros saucer.

The Avrocar was the result of a Canadian effort to develop a supersonic, vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) fighter-bomber, and the CIA opted to design it to appear like a 'flying saucer.'

In 1952, the Canadian government provided initial funding but dropped the project when it became too expensive. Avro offered the project to the US government, and the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force took it over in 1958.

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